In reply to Rich M:
> I´m concerned that, during the late 80´s and 90´s head pointing was the fashion, now that a more purest style is used, "ground up" people are potentially going to get on things they shouldn´t and get hurt.
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> Not taking the consensus, but the lowest denominator will lead to injury or worse. Is this irresponsible?
Going on a route is a personal decision and you have to take responsibility for yourself. The grade is just a rough guide - always has been.
Those attempting bold or dangerous routes usually gather other information from other sources - first off themselves by looking at the route, and from other ascensionists.
This is how it has always been as you know Rich, and how it will remain I'm sure.
When climbers were climbers
(and money and kudos wasn't involved), in Yorkshire at least, HVS covered all sins, all the way up to E3 and slightly beyond when we went metric. Reverse grading, known as sandbagging was an excellent sport. Never did us any harm, everyone survived.
Now we have all gone soft and sensitive, want to be led by the hand, scream foul at the merest slight, we demand an accurate grading system (and an insitu emergency top rope team if we muck up),
so perhaps you are right.
DEMAND HYPER-INFLATED GRADES NOW.
Sign the petition.
We need to save climbers from themselves!
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